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ftated the inconveniencies which the Weft-India merchants had complained of in the port of London, and remarked that Liverpool was growing up in trade and rival opulence, folely from the convenience of its quays.

Mr. Alderman LUSHINGTON admitted that the complaints of the petitioners were well founded, for he had himself experienced fome of the inconveniences, but all the claim of the city of London, in refpect to the object of the petition, was fimply this, the claim of preference. He had no doubt but the plans of the city of London, when prepared, would be commenfurate to the neceffity, and as the bill propofed involved a matter of ferious confequence, and threatened to injure the interefts of the corporation of the city, the Houfe fhould be cautious how they fuffered the corporation to be trenched upon, for if this were done in the prefent inftance, it might be farther injurious by estalishing a precedent in future.

Alderman LE MESURIER, in addition to what the other, Aldermen had stated, obferved, that there were certain privileges of the Borough of Southwark which would alfo be affected, if the bill proposed should pass into a law.

Sir WATKIN LEWES faid, he wished to put the House on its guard, by ftating the magnitude of the propofition attempted to be brought forward. With respect to the wet docks at Hull and Liverpool, the bill in those cafes, did not go to difpoffefs the corporations of their privileges, whereas this petition went to divest the corporation of London of rights, which they had enjoyed from time immemorial; it made a direct attack on the immunities and privileges of the city. He therefore viewed the propofed bill as an object of very great magnitude, which deeply affected the corporation of London. He alledged that this petition, and the plan it propofed, went to injure and difpoffefs 1600 families, befides 10,000 labourers about the quays, &c. who would be thereby, in a great measure, deprived of their livelihood.

Mr. MANNING rofe to obferve, that out of the number of those immediately concerned, 1473 had already given their affent to the prayer of the petition, of whom 287 were owners, and 1186 were occupiers.

Sir W. YOUNG faid, that however the corporation of the city, as a body, might confider themfelves to be affected, he could not but regard this petition as containing much of the fenfe of the refpectable inhabitants and leading intereft of the commerce of the city of London; a great number of wealthy and refpectable merchants were concerned in this petition, and he was perfuaded that were it carried round from houfe to houfe, there would be a great majority

of the mercantile intereft in its favour; fo that if there was an oppofition on the present occafion, it was the oppofition and the interest of the corporation of London, against the fense of a great majority of the commercial inhabitants of London.

The petition was then ordered to be referred to a Committee, confifting of the Attorney and Solicitor Generals, the Master of the Rolls, the members of the city and counties adjacent, the gentlemen of the long robe and merchants.

Mr. LECHMERE faid, that on the firft open day he should bring forward a motion on the present alarming high price of grain and provifions. After fome converfation with the Speaker, Friday

next was the day fixed upon.

Mr. ROSE brought in a bill for repealing the duties on legacies and eftates, and granting other duties thereon. He faid that from the general understanding on a former day of the propriety of having this bill well confidered, he fhould move for the firft reading of it now, the fecond on Wednesday next, then have it committed the day following, and the blanks filled up and printed, and afterwards to have it recommitted on fome diftant day.

Mr. MAURICE ROBINSON wifhed that the notice had not. been given in fo thin a House.

This bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a fecond time on Wednesday next.

Mr. GREY rose to beg leave to present a petition, which he held in his hand, and which was of a very extraordinary nature, inafmuch as it was figned by only one perfon. But when he informed the Houfe that that perfon was no lefs than Sir Francis Blake, a perfon of the pureft patriotifm, and of tried integrity, he trusted there would be no uneafy apprehenfion with refpect to its tendency. When it was recollected that the national burdens have risen to the moft alarming amount, it would not furprife the House that a man of his difpofition fhould turn his thoughts to the prevention of that evil which had often been foretold, but which now comes more immediately in profpect, a national bankruptcy. Our present fituation called in a peculiar degree for fome prudent intervention, fince we had just seen that taxation could no longer be extended, for the bill that had been lately read, appeared to be one of the laft of our refources. Some remedy was required to meet the uncontrolable profufion of Minifters, which had been more extravagant during the prefent war than in the most extravagant of all wars, the war with America, and the petitioner had attempted to fuggeft a plan for it. There certainly were many objections to the plan of the petition, fome of which he could start himself; but notwithstanding VOL. X V. C

he thought it entitled to the confideration of the House. It has been a repeated assertion, that the land of the kingdom pays all taxation, for commerce can shift it off and clude it a thousand ways, while land has no mode of evafion. This might be true in the infancy of commerce, but now it was matter of a little doubt.——— When the Minifter, however, had himself computed the rental of the landed property of the kingdom to be no more than twenty-five millions, while the annual taxes were equivalent, fome inquiry ought to be made as to the ftate of the national finances. The Houfe might probably recollect, that, fome years ago, a person of the name of Hutchinfon made an ingenious calculation upon this fubject, afferting that there was no public debt, for it was the debt of individuals, who might each discharge his share, and, in lieu of taxes, propofed that each fhould make a contribution for its difcharge. The petitioner had taken up this idea, and acted upon the fame plan. As to the general object of the expenditure, and the neceffity of interpofing fome check to it, the fafety of the country demanded that it should no longer be delayed. He had waited three or four days for the attendance of fome of the Minifters before he prefented this petition, and he now presented it to his regret, when there was only a fingle Minister in the House.

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The petition was read as follows:

To the House of Commons.

The humble Petition of Sir Francis Blake, Bart.

That the petitioner may be permitted, by the Houfe, to sketch for their confideration the outline of an arrangement, which takes for its aim the political falvation of this country, the happiness of the community at large, and of every individual; and which propofes to work its effect by means which are apparently both eafy, certain, fafe, and honourable: and the petitioner farther prayeth, that it may be permitted him to ftate to the Houfe, for the purpose of their more ready determination, the reaions which have influenced him to fuppofe the arrangement in queftion to be fraught with the benefits fuggefted by him; which are briefly as follow -That, from fources of information the best within his reach, it has appeared to the complete fatisfaction of the petitioner, that trade is not an object which, by any poffible human contrivance, can be made amenable to the payment of any tax that can affect the parties concerned in its ma nagement, inasmuch as the parties fo concerned can always contrive to relieve themselves by fhifting the weight, which in that cafe muft ultimately and principally fall upon the proprietors of land, who have no fuch means of fhifting the weight: that uniformly, as the trade of the nation has more or lefs flourished, the territorial rental has, in like manner and in fome fuch proportion, been obferved to advance. That in the year 1600, the territorial rental did not exceed fix millions per annum that from the year 1600 to 1688, under all the difficulties and diftreffes of the intervening space, the trade of the country increased, and the rental advanced from *x to fourteen millions per annum-computing therefore, by the vaft in.

crease of trade from the period laft named to the prefent time, comprizing a feries of years for the most part favourable, the final refult muft be, that the prefent rental cannot reafonably be fuppofed to fall fhort of 50 millions per annum; which led of courfe to the following conclufions-that the way to advance the land is to give every poffible encouragement to trade -that the way to deprefs the land is to burthen trade-that to burthen trade is, in effect, to burthen land, befides depreffing it.-Taking, therefore, the prefent territorial rental at fifty millions per annum-the funded rental at ten millions-the two together at fixty millions per annum-the prefent payments to Government at fifteen millions per annum-the proffure of thofe payments on the rental named, authorized by general acknowledgement, at fifteen fhillings in the pound-the petitioner proceeded to reafon upon thofe data, as follows: if it be true that the territorial and funded rental is fixty millions per annum-then it is true alfo, that five fhillings in the pound on fuch rental will raife a revenue of fifteen millions per annum if it is true, that we now pay at the rate of fifteen fhillings in the pound to raise a revenue of fifteen millions-then is it also true, that the trading part of the nation can always contrive to create for themselves an exemption from ftate burthens-then is it true alfo, that the landed and funded proprietors are, and have all along, to their irreparable lofs, been the principal, if not the fole, pay inafters of all impofts, and, confequently, that little or no injury will be done to that body of men, but that great and lafting advantage will accrue to them and to their pofterity, by changing the mode, as here propofed, of collecting the revenue. The petitioner therefore prays, that he may be permitted and authorised to charge his real estates with the payment of 30,000l. or with the payment of fuch other fum, be the fame more or lefs, as may be afcertained by the Houfe to be his proportionate share of the public debt to be parcelled out for payment among the feveral proprietors of lands, mines, waters, tythes, rents in any way arifing therefrom, monies fo fecured and public funds and the petitioner farther prays, that his faid eftates may be made fubject to the payment of intereft on the fum to be fo charged, as above, at the rate of 41. per cent. or any other rate or intereft, be the fame more or less, which may appear to the House to be his proportionate fhare of the annual charge of the faid public debt, fuppofing the fame to be transferred as aforefaid: and the petitioner farther prays, that he may be permitted and authorized to pay, in future, his proportionate share of the civil lift and peace establishment by an annual pound rate, the quantum of which pound rate to be afcertained by the House in like manner as before has been named: and the petitioner farther prays, that as often as the exigencies of government may require a farther aid, he may be permitted and authorised to pay his proportionate fhare of the fame by fuch an additional pound rate as may be afcertained by the Houfe, to be fufficient to accunulate the fum which would fall to his lot of payment, fuppofing the whole annual fupply to be raised within the year, and parcelled out for Payment among the feveral proprietors aforefaid: and the petitioner farther prays, that he may be permitted and authorised to make fuch temporary and fuch permanent payments, as have been feverally named and affented to on his part, by half yearly instalments, and that the fame may be declared to be accepted in full fatisfaction of his proportionate share of all taxes, customs, duties, and parliamentary impofts, laid already, or which hereafter may be laid, on the subjects of this country, or their concerns. Ordered to lie upon the table.

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The Marine Mutiny bill was read a third time and paffed.

Sir ROBERT SALISBURY wifhed to know of the honourable gentleman who had given notice before the recefs that he intended to propofe a tax upon dogs, whether he intended to bring that fubject forward?

Mr. DENT faid he had that intention, and that he should propofe it in the next Committee of Ways and Means, unless he should have the Minifter's affurance that he himself was determined to propose it early in the next feffion of Parliament, in which cafe he fhould give it up under a conviction of its being likely to be more effectual than if it came from him. The idea he had of this' tax was, that it should be appropriated foldly to the relief of the poor. After a few words the bufinefs ended for the prefent.

Some private bufinefs being afterwards gone through, the House adjourned.

Tuesday, 9th February.

Mr. WILLIAM SMITH brought up the Report of the Committee appointed to confider the circumftances of the late loan, which was ordered to be printed. Mr. Smith hoped that it might be printed on Thursday or Friday, as he intended, in the course of next week, to make a motion on the fame,

General SMITH rofe to ftate to the Houfe a motion which he would then fubmit, refpecting the barrack returns. He faw the name of General De Lancey to the accounts of forty-four different barracks; but the manner in which the expences were applied was not specified. General Smith was proceeding at large against fuch a mode of furnishing accounts, when

The SPEAKER informed him that he was irregular in making a preamble to his motion.

Upon which he moved, "That there be laid before the Houfe, an account of the number of infantry and cavalry, for which the different barracks were provided."

Mr. GREY wifhed to know from the Secretary at War, when the farther extraordinaries of the army, which were called for previous to the recefs, would be furnished to the Houfe? as he intended, if he did not get a fatisfactory anfwer, to make the following motion, which embraced the whole of the queftion on which he wanted information: "That there be laid before the Houfe, eftimates of the ground rents of grounds on which barracks have been built-of the yearly rents of buildings occupied as barracks-and of the monies expended in the purchafe of grounds for the farther erection of

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